Kate and Kelsey reunite for episode 13 of Pleasure Bound, reflecting on how far they've come since starting this journey together. They dive deep into the dance between pleasure and pain — from grief and chronic pain to redefining safety, boundaries, and self-worth. The conversation moves through vulnerability, disability and community, radical self-acceptance, and the courage it takes to share your truth publicly. They also open up about care, autonomy, and what it means to reclaim joy as the engine behind everything they do — before teasing an upcoming episode with musician Freaque (Gabriel Rodreick), creator of their theme song "Drip For Me." A raw, funny, and moving conversation about pleasure as a practice, not a destination.
Episode Description:
Kate and Kelsey reunite for episode 13 of Pleasure Bound, reflecting on how far they've come since starting this journey together. They dive deep into the dance between pleasure and pain — from grief and chronic pain to redefining safety, boundaries, and self-worth. The conversation moves through vulnerability, disability and community, radical self-acceptance, and the courage it takes to share your truth publicly. They also open up about care, autonomy, and what it means to reclaim joy as the engine behind everything they do — before teasing an upcoming episode with musician Freaque (Gabriel Rodreick), creator of their theme song "Drip For Me." A raw, funny, and moving conversation about pleasure as a practice, not a destination.
Timestamps
00:00 – Reunion & catching up
00:28 – Reflecting on 13 episodes of growth
01:13 – Awareness + Pleasure practice = Radical Self-love
02:23 – Pain and pleasure as an art process
4:52 – Finding intimacy with pain- the exquisite heartache
5:30 – Redirecting pain into sensation
7:57 – How the podcast has gifted autonomy and freedom
9:23 – Unapologetic truth-telling as "Stevie Nicks energy"
11:32 – Sharing your truth as a spiritual exercise
13:10– Moving through life with Joy & reclaiming peace
15:44 – Why "Pleasure Bound" is the perfect name
17:25 – Kate on trauma, safety, and self-worth
19:51 – Being selective with your energy
21:30 – Sovereignty as a disabled woman
23:20 – Security! Self-Advocacy v Sacrifice in Home Care
24:53 – Being grateful without spiritually bypassing hard truths
26:10 – The realities of being quadriplegic
26:57 – Community with disabled peers (callback to the Jim episode)
28:50 – Radical self-love (Sonya Renee Taylor)
29:20 – "This is a call for love. Are we gonna show up for it?"
32:48 – Kelsey’s Major highlight of the journey
36:37 – Teaser: Freaque (Gabriel Rodrick) joining soon
37:34 – Artistic spaces and creative freedom
38:57 – Letting your freak flag fly
40:12 – Vulnerable caregiver/mirror story
41:53 – Closing reflections and gratitude
42:43 – Sign-off
References:
Freaque (Gabriel Rodreick) - https://gabrielrodreick.com/freaque
A Course in Miracles - https://acim.org/acim/en